Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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Blood transfusion policy debunked with one KM and one scripture

by Debunk in

from nov. 2006 kingdom ministry p. 3. title: how do i view blood fractions and medical procedures involving my own blood?”.

“how do i view blood fractions and medical procedures involving my own blood?.

the bible commands christians to “abstain from .

Ultimate Axiom

Good logic Debunk, for there is no consistency with the WT stand on the blood issue. Nor is there any with the bible either. If the blood of an animal is so sacred and must be poured on the ground, what the hell is going on here?

“Slaughter it, take some of its blood and put it on the lobes of the right ears of Aaron and his sons, on the thumbs of their right hands, and on the big toes of their right feet. Then sprinkle blood against the altar on all sides.” (Ex 29:20)

And why doesn’t the WT ban the eating of fat?

“All the fat is the Lord's. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.” (Lev 3:16-17)

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I am a proud Jehovah's Witness Defender

by Matthew Jefferson in

my name is matthew j and i have just ended my study with the jehovah's witnesses.

no, i did not stop studying because i believe the jehovah's witnesses are a 'cult', i left due to the minor beliefs that i hold that remain separate from the organization.

i called my elder who is still an amazing man and great counselor, affirming that i do not wish to continue my studying.

Ultimate Axiom

Matthew, I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that you have not come to the defence of any of the criticisms voiced here, suggests to me that you are either;

1) A troll, in which case piss off.

2) Struggling to find evidence for your defence, in which case keep trying, but let us know your findings.

3) Suddenly realised, from these criticisms, that the Watchtower is indefensible, in which case, be courageous and let us know.

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Political Correctness and Censorship / Banning Books

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

banned books?censorship?.

let’s say you live in a land where the rule is: you can’t offend anyone.okay, fair enough.

let’s take a look at what follows (implicit in this rule).. if you are speaking to 10 people, is it okay to offend 1 in 10?

Ultimate Axiom

redvip2000 - I wouldn't dream of stopping him.

em1913 - agree totally.

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Political Correctness and Censorship / Banning Books

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

banned books?censorship?.

let’s say you live in a land where the rule is: you can’t offend anyone.okay, fair enough.

let’s take a look at what follows (implicit in this rule).. if you are speaking to 10 people, is it okay to offend 1 in 10?

Ultimate Axiom

Onager - quite a few of them. And likewise to the Koran.

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Did you actually read the bible end to end?

by Ultimate Axiom in

in my ten years as a witness i never read the whole bible end to end, what with four magazines a month, the book study, meetings and talk preparations, there just wasn’t the time.

i knew all the important references to ‘prove’ the various jw doctrines, and the cherry picked chapters that help foster the idea that it’s a good book, but that’s not reading it.

well after nearly forty years out, i decided i would do it.

Ultimate Axiom

Seems like I was the exception, as the majority of you did read it end to end as Witnesses, and quite a few read it more than once. I wonder of it is the same for Witnesses today. I could never keep up with the schedule, probably because I was too lazy and so much of it didn’t really appeal to me. Now I’ve read it all, for as waton said, it ‘gives you amo’.

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Did you actually read the bible end to end?

by Ultimate Axiom in

in my ten years as a witness i never read the whole bible end to end, what with four magazines a month, the book study, meetings and talk preparations, there just wasn’t the time.

i knew all the important references to ‘prove’ the various jw doctrines, and the cherry picked chapters that help foster the idea that it’s a good book, but that’s not reading it.

well after nearly forty years out, i decided i would do it.

Ultimate Axiom

Some time ago a couple of Witnesses called on my door with a leaflet that asked (among other things), is the bible the word of God or just a good book? I replied it’s neither, and cited the ethnic cleansing of the ‘holy land’. One of them replied, “but those people were wicked, they sacrificed their children to Moloch”. To which I replied, “So your answer is to kill all the children so they can’t be sacrificed”. Needless to say, they didn’t stay long to argue their case.

But then I got to thinking, it wasn’t the Canaanite’s fault they sacrificed their children, it was their God’s fault. After all, if Jehovah asked one of his faithful to sacrifice their child, they would do it wouldn’t they? Well Abraham would have anyway. Which means he had the same mindset at those worshippers of Moloch, so if the Canaanites were wicked so, was Abraham. And if you think about it, the bedrock of Christianity is based on child sacrifice.

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Political Correctness and Censorship / Banning Books

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

banned books?censorship?.

let’s say you live in a land where the rule is: you can’t offend anyone.okay, fair enough.

let’s take a look at what follows (implicit in this rule).. if you are speaking to 10 people, is it okay to offend 1 in 10?

Ultimate Axiom

It is why three-minute trips to Pluto or Sedna can't happen. It is why we cannot visit stars within a reasonable time (say, visit the Belt of Orion in around 90 minutes)

Funny, I thought we couldn’t do these things because we can’t travel faster than light, I didn’t realise it was down to PC.

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Political Correctness and Censorship / Banning Books

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

banned books?censorship?.

let’s say you live in a land where the rule is: you can’t offend anyone.okay, fair enough.

let’s take a look at what follows (implicit in this rule).. if you are speaking to 10 people, is it okay to offend 1 in 10?

Ultimate Axiom

Let’s say you live in a land where the Rule is: You can’t offend anyone.

Yes you’re right, this is an impossibility. It reminds me of that old joke where a kid disagrees that God can do anything. “OK, name something He can’t do”, asks his teacher, “He can’t please everyone”.

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS means well--but the unintended consequences are TOO DIRE.

Only if PC is taken too far – we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Banning those books by the PC brigade is absurd, it seems to me that some people want to go to ridiculous extremes to boast the liberal values. On the other hand, there are those who seem to think that because they have the right to offend people, that means that they have a duty to do so. And I see no merit it offending people for the sake of it.

When I was at school we read Ballantyne’s Coral Island, and I thought it was so exciting. A few years ago I found a copy in a B&B I was staying at and thought I would read it again. I was struck by the fact that the author seemed to think that all natives of Pacific Islands were savage black people with curly hair whose greatest pleasure was eating people, he even had some ‘savages’ debating which races produced the tastiest meat. And even when he gets help from some of these natives, he still refers to them as ‘friendly savages’. While I would not ban that book, I’m sure it has value as a product of its time, but I certainly would not recommend it to children today.

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Did you actually read the bible end to end?

by Ultimate Axiom in

in my ten years as a witness i never read the whole bible end to end, what with four magazines a month, the book study, meetings and talk preparations, there just wasn’t the time.

i knew all the important references to ‘prove’ the various jw doctrines, and the cherry picked chapters that help foster the idea that it’s a good book, but that’s not reading it.

well after nearly forty years out, i decided i would do it.

Ultimate Axiom

“... a very boring process,”

Yes it was, and I didn’t find the Psalms particularly edifying either. Too much of ‘praise the Lord for he is wonderful, holy and righteous’, which I find particularly galling when David wrote this stuff while he was indiscriminately slaughtering thousands in his ethnic cleansing program.

When you read with a JW mindset, and a JW schedule, you typically have no time left to question what you read.

Couldn’t agree more.

To be fair it's not all bad.

True, and the bits that aren’t are the bits that get cherry picked.

I might ask, which Bible are you referring too?

Well, I started with the 66 books of the common bible, which are accepted by all Christians traditions. As I was using the RSV, which is a Catholic edition, I also read the OT Apocryphal books, which are also accepted by all Christian traditions except the protestants. But as I was interested in this ‘holy’ book that JWs, and so many others regard as the inspired and infallible word of God, I didn’t venture into the other OT Apocryphal books, or any of the NT Apocryphal books either. Interestingly enough, there are several passages in the Apocryphal OT that appear to quoted by Jesus, which raises the question, did Jesus regard them as 'holy scripture'?

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Did you actually read the bible end to end?

by Ultimate Axiom in

in my ten years as a witness i never read the whole bible end to end, what with four magazines a month, the book study, meetings and talk preparations, there just wasn’t the time.

i knew all the important references to ‘prove’ the various jw doctrines, and the cherry picked chapters that help foster the idea that it’s a good book, but that’s not reading it.

well after nearly forty years out, i decided i would do it.

Ultimate Axiom

“Why would a perfect woman who had been clued in about the animals that her perfect husband had named observing their characteristics, talk to a snake?”

Yep, and if the snake was crafty/subtle, then he was created that way, but what had that to do with anything, wasn’t Satan just using it as a puppet? And why was the snake punished, he’s just a dumb animal? In any case, sakes don’t eat dust, so that part of the punishment was never executed.